Comments on: Good Theft vs. Bad Theft https://dy-online.com/theft/ Trusted Art Business Coaching and Consulting Sun, 01 May 2022 03:11:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.4 By: Gwenn https://dy-online.com/theft/#comment-19088 Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:35:40 +0000 http://artbizsuccess.com/?p=13045#comment-19088 Kimberly Santini. The best way is to hit the copycat where it really hurts: in their social currency. Speak out about the imitation; publicize it. Make sure everyone knows that your work is so good that it's worth copying! If you do this well, like Stevie Koerner of tru.che did last year when Urban Outfitters used a design similar to hers, you might even make a bundle off of being copied!]]> In reply to Kimberly Santini.

The best way is to hit the copycat where it really hurts: in their social currency. Speak out about the imitation; publicize it. Make sure everyone knows that your work is so good that it’s worth copying!
If you do this well, like Stevie Koerner of tru.che did last year when Urban Outfitters used a design similar to hers, you might even make a bundle off of being copied!

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By: Alyson Stanfield https://dy-online.com/theft/#comment-19087 Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:52:51 +0000 http://artbizsuccess.com/?p=13045#comment-19087 Kimberly Santini. Gwenn: You say "I’m saying they should find new ways (ways that don’t involve copyright) to call out the copycats." Do you have any thoughts on what this might look like?]]> In reply to Kimberly Santini.

Gwenn: You say “I’m saying they should find new ways (ways that don’t involve copyright) to call out the copycats.”
Do you have any thoughts on what this might look like?

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By: Alyson Stanfield https://dy-online.com/theft/#comment-19086 Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:52:16 +0000 http://artbizsuccess.com/?p=13045#comment-19086 your thoughts rather than my own. I appreciate your sharing them here and debating in such a civilized manner.]]> Thanks to everyone for this lively conversation! I put up Deep Thought Thursdays to hear your thoughts rather than my own. I appreciate your sharing them here and debating in such a civilized manner.

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By: Alyson Stanfield https://dy-online.com/theft/#comment-19085 Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:41:56 +0000 http://artbizsuccess.com/?p=13045#comment-19085 Barbara Muir. Barbara: How did you handle the student work that looked like your own?]]> In reply to Barbara Muir.

Barbara: How did you handle the student work that looked like your own?

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By: Kimberly Santini https://dy-online.com/theft/#comment-19084 Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:31:23 +0000 http://artbizsuccess.com/?p=13045#comment-19084 Mary Mulvihill. Great reply, Mary - love your thoughts!]]> In reply to Mary Mulvihill.

Great reply, Mary – love your thoughts!

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By: AnnaMaria Windisch-Hunt https://dy-online.com/theft/#comment-19083 Sun, 03 Jun 2012 04:03:06 +0000 http://artbizsuccess.com/?p=13045#comment-19083 Learning from masters and attempting to recreate their work is invaluable while a student. As a galleries I’ve seen so many recreations of famous works. Would I want to promote or show that, absolutely not. It’s been done.

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By: Mary Mulvihill https://dy-online.com/theft/#comment-19082 Sat, 02 Jun 2012 06:32:14 +0000 http://artbizsuccess.com/?p=13045#comment-19082 Mary Mulvihill. Thank you, Gwenn. I'll read it.]]> In reply to Mary Mulvihill.

Thank you, Gwenn. I’ll read it.

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By: Gwenn https://dy-online.com/theft/#comment-19081 Sat, 02 Jun 2012 06:20:20 +0000 http://artbizsuccess.com/?p=13045#comment-19081 Mary Mulvihill. The free culture movement does not push the idea that artists should work for free. Far from it, the movement is working to help artists find new models for making a living. This is one such model, if you're curious. Also, it's probably a lot like what you already do, except that it involves acknowledging on a deeper level how indebted all artist are to the cultural commons.]]> In reply to Mary Mulvihill.

The free culture movement does not push the idea that artists should work for free. Far from it, the movement is working to help artists find new models for making a living.
This is one such model, if you’re curious. Also, it’s probably a lot like what you already do, except that it involves acknowledging on a deeper level how indebted all artist are to the cultural commons.

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By: Mary Mulvihill https://dy-online.com/theft/#comment-19080 Sat, 02 Jun 2012 05:44:05 +0000 http://artbizsuccess.com/?p=13045#comment-19080 Gwenn. When I am involved in the creative process, copyright concerns are not involved. I know very clearly when an idea is mine and when it is not; when I am copying and when I am not. We are are all influenced by what we have seen and by our culture. Being human is about connection. Our very being is an accumulation of our memories and experiences. This morning I was looking at a wildlife artist. I noticed that while he painted animals, his primary concern was abstract design - much like Andrew Wyeth. I noticed that he tended to crop objects at the edges of his paintings in a seemingly random way - much like a camera cuts things off. I thought about how the camera influenced the Impressionist's composition, especially Degas. I thought about how the wildlife artist's use of texture reminded me of Japanese brush painting. All of these thoughts might influence the way I think about my next painting. I'm derivative because I'm alive. But, I don't copy. The wildlife artist didn't copy. If someone copies the painting I create, though, they've infringed on my copyright and we'll have a discussion about it. It's kind of like pornography. I can't precisely define it, but I know copying when I see it. I'm not worried about any damage to creativity caused by protecting the artist. The human mind in infinitely creative. An artist isn't limited by copyright. All he has to do is get to work and create. Free culture? All of my thoughts this morning were free and didn't infringe on anyone's copyright. When keeping a roof over my head and food on the table are free, maybe we can talk about free culture. For now, I'm like any other working stiff. I want to be paid for my labor.]]> In reply to Gwenn.

When I am involved in the creative process, copyright concerns are not involved. I know very clearly when an idea is mine and when it is not; when I am copying and when I am not. We are are all influenced by what we have seen and by our culture. Being human is about connection. Our very being is an accumulation of our memories and experiences.
This morning I was looking at a wildlife artist. I noticed that while he painted animals, his primary concern was abstract design – much like Andrew Wyeth. I noticed that he tended to crop objects at the edges of his paintings in a seemingly random way – much like a camera cuts things off. I thought about how the camera influenced the Impressionist’s composition, especially Degas. I thought about how the wildlife artist’s use of texture reminded me of Japanese brush painting. All of these thoughts might influence the way I think about my next painting. I’m derivative because I’m alive. But, I don’t copy. The wildlife artist didn’t copy. If someone copies the painting I create, though, they’ve infringed on my copyright and we’ll have a discussion about it. It’s kind of like pornography. I can’t precisely define it, but I know copying when I see it. I’m not worried about any damage to creativity caused by protecting the artist. The human mind in infinitely creative. An artist isn’t limited by copyright. All he has to do is get to work and create.
Free culture? All of my thoughts this morning were free and didn’t infringe on anyone’s copyright. When keeping a roof over my head and food on the table are free, maybe we can talk about free culture. For now, I’m like any other working stiff. I want to be paid for my labor.

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By: Gwenn https://dy-online.com/theft/#comment-19079 Sat, 02 Jun 2012 05:20:22 +0000 http://artbizsuccess.com/?p=13045#comment-19079 Mary Mulvihill. They aren't separate issues. The remixing that Kleon and you all advocate is just as illegal as ripping another artist off under current copyright law since the law prohibits derivative works. If you care about creativity, you have to care about copyright. They're so linked! To learn more about how copyright law is damaging to creativity, I would recommend the documentary RIP: A Remix Manifesto or Lawrence Lessig's book Free Culture.]]> In reply to Mary Mulvihill.

They aren’t separate issues. The remixing that Kleon and you all advocate is just as illegal as ripping another artist off under current copyright law since the law prohibits derivative works.
If you care about creativity, you have to care about copyright. They’re so linked! To learn more about how copyright law is damaging to creativity, I would recommend the documentary RIP: A Remix Manifesto or Lawrence Lessig’s book Free Culture.

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